Was Socrates a Mystic?
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1.4. Profile of a Jnani 1.4.1. Krishnamurti 1.4.2. Ramana Maharshi 1.4.3. Meister Eckhart 1.4.4. The Jnani Checklist References for part 2
1.4.1.
Krishnamurti George
Bernard Shaw called Krishnamurti "a religious figure of the greatest
distinction," and added, "He is the most beautiful human being
I have ever seen." Henry Miller
wrote, "There is no man I would consider it a greater privilege
to meet " Aldous
Huxley, after attending one of Krishnamurti's lectures, confided in
a letter, " the most impressive thing I have listened to. It was
like listening to the discourse of the Buddha such power, such intrinsic
authority " Kahlil Gibran wrote, "When he entered my room I said to myself, 'Surely the Lord of Love has come." [14]
K RISHNAMURTI: There is no house if there are no walls and no roof. The content is consciousness but we like to separate them, theorise about it, measure the yardage of our consciousness. Whereas the centre is consciousness, the content of consciousness, and the content is consciousness. Without the content, where is consciousness? And that is the space. Needleman: I follow a little bit of what you say. I find myself wanting to say: well, what do you value here? What is the important thing here? K RISHNAMURTI: I'll put that question after I have found out whether the mind can be empty of content. Needleman: All right. K RISHNAMURTI: Then there is something else that will operate, which will function within the field of the known. But without finding that merely to say ... Needleman: No, no, this is so. K RISHNAMURTI: Let's proceed. Space is between two thoughts, between two factors of time, two periods of time, because thought is time. Yes? Needleman: All right, yes. K RISHNAMURTI: You can have a dozen periods of time but it is still thought, there is that space. Then there is the space round the centre, and the space beyond the self, beyond the barbed-wire, beyond the wall of the centre. The space between the observer and the observed is the space which thought has created as the image of my wife and the image which she has about me. You follow, Sir? Needleman: Yes. K RISHNAMURTI: All that is manufactured by the centre. To speculate about what is beyond all that has no meaning to me personally, it's the philosopher's amusement. Needleman: The philosopher's amusement ... K RISHNAMURTI: I am not interested. Needleman: I agree. I am not interested sometimes, at my better moments, but nevertheless ... K RISHNAMURTI: I am sorry, because you are a philosopher! Needleman: No, no, why should you remember that, please. K RISHNAMURTI:
So my question is: "Can the centre be still, or can the centre
fade away?" Because if it doesn't fade away, or lie very quiet,
then the content of consciousness is going to create space within consciousness
and call it the vast space. In there lies deception and I don't want
to deceive myself. ... Needleman: That is the question, yes. K RISHNAMURTI: Not divine grace, the super-self, some fictitious outside agency. Can the consciousness empty itself of all this content? First see the beauty of it, Sir. Needleman: I see it. K RISHNAMURTI: Because it must empty itself without an effort. The moment there is an effort, there is the observer who is making the effort to change the content, which is part of consciousness. I don't know if you see that? Needleman: I follow. The emptying has to be effortless, instantaneous. K RISHNAMURTI: It must be without an agent who is operating on it, whether an outside agent, or an inner agent. Now can this be done without any effort, any directive which says, "I will change the content"? This means the emptying of the consciousness of all will, "to be" or "not to be". Sir, look what takes place. Needleman: I am watching. K RISHNAMURTI: I have put that question to myself. Nobody has put it to me. Because it is a problem of life, a problem of existence in this world. It is a problem which my mind has to solve. Can the mind, with all its content, empty itself and yet remain mind not just float about? Needleman: It is not suicide. K RISHNAMURTI: No. Needleman: There is some kind of subtle ... K RISHNAMURTI: No, Sir, that is too immature. I have put the question. My answer is: I really don't know. Needleman: That is the truth. K RISHNAMURTI: I really don't know. But I am going to find out, in the sense of not waiting to find out. The content of my consciousness is my unhappiness, my misery, my struggles, my sorrows, the images which I have collected through life, my gods, the frustrations, the pleasures, the fears, the agonies, the hatreds that is my consciousness. Can all that be completely emptied? Not only at the superficial level but right through? the so-called unconscious. If it is not possible, then I must live a life of misery, I must live in endless, unending sorrow. There is neither hope, nor despair, I am in prison. So the mind must find out how to empty itself of all the content of itself, and yet live in this world, not become a moron, but have a brain that functions efficiently. Now how is this to be done? Can it ever be done? Or is there no escape for man? Needleman: I follow. K RISHNAMURTI: Because I don't see how to get beyond this I invent all the gods, the temples, philosophies, rituals you understand? Needleman: I understand. K RISHNAMURTI: This is meditation, real meditation, not all the phoney stuff. To see whether the mind with the brain which has evolved through time, which is the result of thousands of experiences, the brain that functions efficiently only in complete security whether the mind can empty itself and yet have a brain that functions as a marvellous machine. Also, it sees love is not pleasure; love is not desire. When there is love there is no image; but I don't know what that love is. I only want love as pleasure, sex and all the rest of it. There must be a relationship between the emptying of consciousness and the thing called love; between the unknown and the known, which is the content of consciousness. Needleman: I am following you. There must be this relationship. K RISHNAMURTI: The two must be in harmony. The emptying and love must be in harmony. And it may be only love that is necessary and nothing else. Needleman: This emptying is another word for love, is that what you are saying? K RISHNAMURTI: I am only asking what is love. Is love within the field of consciousness? Needleman: No, it couldn't be. K RISHNAMURTI:
Don't stipulate. Don't ever say yes or no; find out! ...[16] This rather
long extract may baffle those unfamiliar with Krishnamurti's thought,
but it does introduce many of the important elements. We also see that
Needleman, despite being a professor of religion and author of many learned
book, is somewhat at a disadvantage. In terms of a Socratic dialogue some
aspects are similar, some are not. Krishnamurti manipulates the conversation
in the direction that interests him regardless of the questioner, who
is often left to agree rather impotently, quite possibly lost as to his
meaning. He also poses his own questions, and professes ignorance as to
their answer. What is also striking towards the end of the passage is
how Krishnamurti suddenly introduces love yes, it is secondary, as Krishnamurti
is not concerned with the devotional, but it is immediately associated
with silence of the mind, or the process of reaching that state. He even
hints that one might need nothing else, as Patanjali does. 1.4.2.
Ramana Maharshi It was
about six weeks before I left Madura [Maharshi's home town] for good
that the great change in my life took place. It was quite sudden. I
was sitting alone in a room on the first floor of my uncle's house.
I seldom had any sickness, and on that day there was nothing wrong with
my health, but a sudden violent fear of death overtook me. There was
nothing in my state of health to account for it, and I did not try to
account for it or find out whether there was any reason for the fear.
I just felt "I am going to die" and began thinking what to
do about it. It did not occur to me to consult a doctor or my elders
or friends; I felt that I had to solve the problem myself, there and
then. The shock of the fear of death drove my mind inwards and I said to myself mentally, without actually framing the words: "Now death has come; what does it mean? What is it that is dying? This body dies." And at once I dramatised the occurrence of death. I lay with my limbs stretched out stiff as though rigor mortis had set in and imitated a corpse so as to give greater reality to the enquiry. I held my breath and kept my lips tightly closed so that no sound could escape, so that neither the word "I" nor any other word could be uttered. "Well then," I said to myself, "this body is dead. It will be carried stiff to the burning ground and there burnt and reduced to ashes. But with the death of this body am I dead? Is the body I? It is silent and inert but I feel the full force of my personality and even the voice of the 'I' within me, apart from it. So I am Spirit transcending the body. The body dies but the Spirit that transcends it cannot be touched by death. That means I am deathless Spirit." All this was not dull thought; it flashed through me vividly as living truth which I perceived directly, almost without thought-process. "I" was something very real, the only real thing about my present state, and all the conscious activity connected with my body was centred on that "I". From that moment onwards the "I" or Self focused attention on itself by a powerful fascination. Fear of death had vanished once and for all. Absorption in the Self continued unbroken from that time on. Other thoughts might come and go like the various notes of music, but the "I" continued like the fundamental sruti note that underlies and blends with all the other notes. Whether the body was engaged in talking, reading, or anything else, I was still centred on "I". Previous to that crisis I had no clear perception of my Self and was not consciously attracted to it. I felt no perceptible or direct interest in it, much less any inclination to dwell permanently in it. [17]
1. Association
with Sages who have realized the Truth removes material attachments;
on these attachments being removed the attachments of the mind are also
destroyed. Those whose attachments of mind are thus destroyed become
one with That which is Motionless. They attain Liberation while yet
alive. Cherish association with such Sages. 2. That
Supreme State which is obtained here and now as a result of association
with Sages, and realized through the deep meditation of Self-enquiry
in contact with the Heart, cannot be gained with the aid of a Guru or
through knowledge of the scriptures, or by spiritual merit, or by any
other means. 3. If association with Sages is obtained, to what purpose are all the methods of self-discipline? Tell me, of what use is a fan when the cool, gentle, south wind is blowing? [18]
1.4.3.
Meister Eckhart As the soul becomes more pure and bare and poor, and possesses less of created things, and is emptied of all things that are not God, it receives God more purely, and is more completely in Him; and it truly becomes one with God, and it looks into God and God into it, face to face as it were; two images transformed into one. ... Some people think that they will see God as if he were standing there and they here. It is not so. God and I, we are one. ... I am converted into Him in such a way that He makes me one Being with Himself not a similar being. By the living God, it is true that there is no distinction! ... The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same one in seeing, one in knowing, and one in loving. [21] I find it
significant that Eckhart presents us with seeing, knowing and loving
in that order: they indicate that his first priority is not love, as it
is to a bhakti. Love is essential, we are in no doubt, but it follows
seeing and knowing (significant jnani terms) in Eckhart, rather
than leads. This is confirmed in part by his clear explanation of how
detachment for him is higher than love. The teachers praise love most highly, as St Paul does when he says: "In whatever tribulation I may find myself, if I have not love, I am nothing."[I Corinthians xiii, 2, 3] But I praise detachment more than all love. First because the best thing about love is that it forces me to love God. On the other hand, detachment forces God to love me. Now it is much nobler that I should force God to myself than that I should force myself to God. And the reason is that God can join Himself to me more closely unite Himself with me better than I could unite myself with God. [22]
A man should not be afraid of anything as long as his will is good, nor should he be at all depressed if he cannot achieve his aim in all his works. But he should not consider himself to be far from virtue when he find real good will in himself because virtue and everything depend on good will. You can lack nothing if you have true good will, neither love, nor humility nor any other virtue. But what you desire strongly and with all your will is yours. God and all the creatures cannot take it away from you, provided that the will is entire and is a real godly desire, and that it is directed to the present. [23]
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